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Tony, When working in my sandbox for cvsnt, when I try to do anything that involves talking to cvs.cvsnt.org, I'm getting SSL errors :-( e.g. # cvs ver SSL connection failed (-1): error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number cvs [version aborted]: Connection to server failed # cvs stat SSL connection failed (-1): error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number cvs [status aborted]: Connection to server failed -- David Somers typographer/programmer/whatever