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I am sorry Bo, if my message was perceived as inflammatory, and I certainly have no intentions to devalue your efforts, nor to start a soap-box "speech". My points were simply: A software effort like this one, needs to have one moderator/editor, for the same reason an orchestra has a director. Otherwise a mess gets created, despite the best intentions of all participants. Public domain software, despite being created by people who are not paid for that effort, should, and most of the time is, written to the standards that are at least as high as the "real products". That has been proven many times, Linux being one of the first proofs of such statements, Apache Web Server the next. I do not disagree with your assessment of the value of "recipes", and I am pointing the lack of the definition of the protocols supported and the interaction between both the server and the client (command line version or GUI based), with their environment. This is particularly true for CVSNT version, written from scratch to run under Windows, so I would expect a very tight integration and a well written document about how the authentication is done in all of it's variants. Specifically, rather than seeing a recipe how to set up the client with all variants of the underlying OS and supported protocols, I would be much happier with the understanding how is the authentication implemented in the terms of Win32 API, and be left with my own conclusions what does that mean for each OS. Again, I wrote too much, taking people's valuable time. I do apologize for that :-) Nik -----Original Message----- From: bo.berglund at telia.com [mailto:bo.berglund at telia.com] Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 4:38 PM To: cvsnt at cvsnt.org cvsnt downloads at march-hare.com @CVSNT on Twitter CVSNT on Facebook Subject: Re: [Cvsnt] How do I setup pserver? On Sun, 26 May 2002 19:00:33 +0000 (UTC), "Ivancic, Nikolaj" <nivancic at lumicyte.com> wrote: >Tony Hoyle's post (below) is very indicative of the "general state of >the affairs" amongst the CVS society. It's really disappointing to >spend weeks trying to get this simple distributed application to work, >and to give up, realizing that for effort spent on this it would be >less expensive to buy a "real product" with a real price. After all this is public domain free software maintained by people without pay. > >Documentation is simply abysmal, despite valiant efforts from people >like Bo - there are way too many various documents, all making >contradictory (to other similar documents) claims, and none being >really complete. To be complete all of us trying to help fellow users need to have all combinations of setups, which is impossible. So we try answering according to our own successes and failures in order to help others. But talking about myself, I have only experience with ntserver and pserver protocols and none whatsoever of ssh and connections to Linux or the like. The new sspi protocol was not available when I set up my organization for CVSNT and so I cannot help in this area either. We will not change from ntserver since it is working well and serves our purposes. So do you suggest I keep my mouth shut since I do not know everything? >This is actually pretty fascinating, if it's true that most if not all >of the users participating in this newsgroup are programmers. There are >no definitions of the protocols being used (to the best of my >knowledge, of course), while such documents could explain so much more >than a series of recipe-like documents, floating everywhere around. It >seems that each person trying to install a CVS client server setup felt >the need to publish their own "how-to" cook book, clearly supporting >the point I am making here. I do not "feel a need to publish" but I feel a need to help people coming new to CVSNT when I see questions and problems recurring. After a while I found that I wrote the same stuff over and over so I put my experinece in a web page and refer people there instead. Faster typing.... And what these newbies most often need is a cook-book approach so they get their first system up and running. Then they can drill down ito details all by themselves. > >My case is different in this last sentence, so instead writing my own >recipe, I decided that CVS is simply too difficult to install. This is >just too bad, since it's not just to Tony and his crew who must have >spent a great effort to create the software; at the same time, it also >clearly indicates that no software is any good without a solid set of >manuals (in this case, I am referring to the installation manuals; just Manuals can also be done as a public effort. Anyone intersted/able to can holler. >consider the case in question, described in the subject line of this >post: a guy asks how on earth one can create a file with the name >.passwd, some else creates a Win2K specific trick for that, only to >find out how for some time CVSNT does not even read this file). Well, not entirely correct. Pserver will remain using it for compatibility reasons. > >So, maybe PRCS is the answer - I will let you know :-) Probably you mean PVCS and good luck! I evaluated that and ClearCase for my organization before choosing CVS. The choice for CVS was not based only on money, but it was a prominent factor of course. > >Nik > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony Hoyle [mailto:tmh at nothing-on.tv] >Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 5:16 AM >To: cvsnt at cvsnt.org cvsnt downloads at march-hare.com @CVSNT on Twitter CVSNT on Facebook >Subject: Re: [Cvsnt] How do I setup pserver? > > >On Sun, 26 May 2002 04:32:46 +0100, SpifNews wrote: > >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] To create the >> .passwd file > >Or just do 'cvs login' which is the correct way to do it. > >There is absolutely no need to attempt to create the .passwd file >manually. Later versions on cvsnt don't even use it (they store the >information in the registry). > >Tony > > /Bo (Bo Berglund, developer in Sweden) _______________________________________________ Cvsnt mailing list Cvsnt at cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt https://www.march-hare.com/cvspro/en.asp#downcvs _______________________________________________ Cvsnt mailing list Cvsnt at cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt https://www.march-hare.com/cvspro/en.asp#downcvs