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On my machine (winxp-sp1 + all security hotfixes from microsoft) cvs client 2.0.51 close in core when I give next command: Cvs -d D:\src init (I am running it from user with admin priv and these dir exist) 2.0.51 client with old server (2.0.38? linux) retrieve files from cvs with strange security permission (owner: rw,group: r: other: no). but target cvs folder on ntfs drive has rwx access for everyone. May you comment these things? Gennady.