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Tim, > cvs -ttt ci -m "rename" > ..\rename-log.txt 2> ..\rename-err.txt > I misread my own instuctions? OK - yes. You are seeing a different problem now: the commit is not 'recognising' that a rename has been performed. You should be seeing what you saw before: D:/CVSRep/OPSTEST/SDLC/CVSSDLC/SAS/Define/test2/.directory_history,v new revision: 1.2; previous revision: 1.1 done Can you try again with TortoiseCVS and see if you get this message on commit. If you do get the message try and work out what is different in my sequence and the TortoiseCVS sequence. If you do not get this message with TortoiseCVS then try and remember what has changed between then and now. Tony and I are currently looking into why the commit may ignore the rename but we haven't worked it out yet... Regards, Arthur