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btw. As it's late, I'd like to go on record by saying that I think git is a good thing - I can pull down an opensource project, fix bugs, post on the forum and anyone that wants to can get my fixes/improve them without waiting for the original author to get around to releasing a new version - so you end up with a truly open development system. There's even a good case for putting the cvsnt repository in git (which would be somewhat ironic), as it would benefit from this kind of collaboration. I'm just not sure how well it translates to the corporate space.. and currently that's where all my thinking is, having had my head in evs for so long. Now if someone wants to come up with the idea for a corp-git that handles realtime audit, bug tracking, access control and locking without losing the distributed nature (if that isn't a total contradiction in terms) then I'd be all for it. Tony